Software/hardware changes to improve usability

Let me preface my post by stating I did not get my pebble because I wanted to easily tell the time by glancing at my wrist.

To be honest, I can’t really read the time on my watch. I got this device because to me, it is a piece of hardware that can make it easier for me to control my home; and this feedback is based on my experience using the Pebble Duo 2, and accessibility issues I have encountered.

  1. the pre-installed watch faces should include a large font watch face
  2. it would be nice if the watch buttons had texture or other tactile feel that would allow the user to easily differentiate the buttons
  3. a ‘left-handed’ setting that when enabled rotates the display 180, and swaps the up/down buttons
  4. modify the pebble app to allow users to change the app menu order in a similar fashion to the microPebble app.
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  1. I don’t know how important it is to you for it to be installed by default, but there are plenty of watchfaces that have larger numbers. BRUTAL is one that immediately comes to mind for rectangular watches

  2. This is in the settings, go to Display → orientation

  3. This is available if you turn on the experimental Native Store feature in the Core app’s settings page

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Again, thank you!

While it is excellent that a new user can create an account, search for, and install a high vis watch face; that certainly requires the user to do more than just turn on watch, and then select high vis watch face. For me now, it isn’t that important anymore because I don’t use the watch to tell time. If a high vis watch face was available out of the box, I would be using that watch face, and my watch, to tell time.

The tactile feel of the buttons is something I have temporarily ‘fixed’ on my watch by applying a tiny spot of superglue to the center of each button. My suggestion here, is mostly ‘food for thought’ as I am well aware that changing software is far easier than changing hardware.

Sinister mode activated! I don’t know how I missed the left-hander mode, but it makes me love my device even more.

The next time I have to install the Pebble App, I will see if it can do what I need in regard to prioritizing user apps in the menu (and I’ll probably come back here to ask again how to do it).

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In regards to the tactile nature of the buttons, the Time 2 does have knurled buttons, which is a fancy term for a cross-cut texture, and they are separated from one another, so they are very easy to distinguish via just touch. The Round 2 has an even larger gap between buttons, making them also easily distinguishable from one another.

All this is to say that, while they certainly aren’t re-engineering the Duo 2’s that were produced, Core clearly sees this issue and has addressed it with their newer products.

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I can only provide feedback on devices that I own, or have handled/used.

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@Flynn I have installed the latest Pebble mobile app, checked use Native App Store in settings, and the “move to top” button appears when I view an app in the app list. However, pressing the ‘move to top” button does not move my app to the top.

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Press and hold on an app, then you can drag it in the list.

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thank you for pointing me in the correct direction, I figured it out.

  1. open pebble app
  2. from the bottom, select “apps”
  3. then press “on my watch” (which does not look like a button)
  4. then in the “on my watch” view, the user can drag apps in the list (there is nothing visible on screen that would suggest the apps can be moved)

It works, but getting there with the pebble app is not the least bit intuitive.

My Feedback:

  1. the functionality for adjusting app order should not be tied to “use native app store”, the functionality should just be enabled OOTB.
  2. the “move to top” button that doesn’t work, should either be made to work or removed. Probably removed, so that there is only 1 place in the mobile app where the menu order can be modified.
  3. once the ability to to reorder the menu is available by default, there should be text on the “On My Watch” view that states “drag to change app order” or something similar.
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Yup! In general the Pebble app’s UI is… not great. Feel free to submit a bug report through the app, that’ll be the most surefire way to get the devs’ attention. FWIW, it is an experimental setting for now, the final UI will be at least a little more polished.

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Regarding the 1.0.7.18 Pebble app update, one of the fixes was: Don’t move apps above system apps when using “Move to top”

For me I prefer other apps to be at the top of the list, so it was a feature, not a bug to be able to move any app to the top of that list. Any chance of this being un-fixed?

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if that is the case, then “move to top” is incorrect text for that button, and it should be “move to top of user installed apps”. That would not look good, which means the design paradigm should to be reworked, but I will add it to list of ways to ‘fix’ the button, which is now:

  1. remove the button, so there is a Single location in the app for a user to order their apps
  2. fix the button so that it does what the text on the button says
  3. update the button text to represent what the button actually does
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I believe in the previous Pebble app we could simply drag the apps (including system apps) to the order we preferred. I thought I read somewhere earlier that the Core team was prioritizing function of the new Pebble app and the UI would get polished up later, so I’m guessing the button is a quick fix for now to allow some way to organize the apps for the time being. Maybe that dragging interface will get implemented in the next year which would address this.

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This is a feature if you use the “native store” preview feature. I think it’s in the beta release of the app

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Sorry, I meant that pebble should have a Left-Hand mode that is feature/UI comparable to Right-Hander mode. :slight_smile:

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Hey there, what do you mean?

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here is the ticket that was incorrectly closed as completed, instead of being left open for someone to fix the UI toolkit is drawing action layers on the wrong side of the screen when in Left Handed mode · Issue #898 · coredevices/PebbleOS · GitHub

as a refresher Benefits of Design Guidelines // Pebble Developers “It should be intuitive for the user to move around the app screens to access the information or execute the commands as they would expect on a first guess.”

That can’t happen in left-hand display mode (buttons on the left hand side of the hardware) if the software UI is hardcoded to always put action bar button hints on the right-hand side of the screen.

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Hey there, issues are not left open for contributors to find and complete. We either work on them or we don’t and close them.

Posting multiple times across GitHub and our forum is not how we make improvements. Please do not do that again.

If you would like to contribute feel free to do a PR, but we can’t help with that process if you haven’t done it before. Feel free to post in the Rebble Discord for development help

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How come? Doesn’t that just make it harder to track duplicate issues?

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Hey Flynn, the issues are still there in but under ‘closed’, they’re not deleted. I (and I imagine other folks) usually search github issues by removing the filters and searching for a string, which will return closed issues.

We use the PebbleOS open issues list as a place to manage current work with open source partners. For that reason, we aren’t planning to keep a lot of open issues hanging around there that we aren’t planning to work on.

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It appears that there’s no indication from the title whether an issue’s been closed because it won’t be fixed or if an issue’s been closed because it was fixed. Is that correct?

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